“Shoot Christians Say, Part 2 -” “God Said It, I Believe It, That Settles It.”

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“The B-I-B-L-E.  Yes that’s the Book for me.

I stand alone on the Word of God.

The B-I-B-L-E”

That little song, learned and sung around snacks of Kool-Aid and Animal Crackers, flannel graph Bible stories in the Sunday School of my childhood, formed the foundation of my understanding of the Bible.  

It’s dangerous to mess with someone’s foundation. 
It’s uncomfortable.  Scary. Risky.

But that’s what I did with last Sunday’s phrase in our “Shoot Christians Say” series.  Here it is:  

“God Said It, I Believe It, That Settles It” 

The teaching, for some, was tantamount to messing with motherhood, the flag and apple-pie. 

A bit unsettling.  

Think it through with me:  “God said it, I believe it, that settles it.”  Except it doesn’t.   Settle it, that is.  If it settled it, why do we debate it?  If it settled it, how do we explain books like Zondervan Counterpoint Series – “indispensable for understanding different views on Christianity’s vital issues” (Zondervan’s description of the series)?  

If “that settles it” why are there “different views” not just on side issues, but on “vital issues?”  

We want to be settled.  We want to be sure.  Being settled is a basic need. The two largest Christian groups have addressed the need to be settled.

Protestants, the folks that protested the Catholic Church developed the infallibility of Scripture.  

Catholics developed the infallibility of the Pope.  

“Infallibility”- the inability to be wrong.

Both the Bible and the Pope speak for God – depending on if you are Catholic or Protestant.  

And what is spoken is infallible. That is settling. 

 Both positions come from a need for security, for something strong on which to stand.  These positions give us that, “I’m secure with ‘the Bible tells me so, ‘“ or “I’m secure with ‘the Pope tells me so.’”  Standing on this foundation, I don’t have to think, wrestle, or try to figure things out.  I just go with what is said.  

This position meets our need for security, but does it meet our need for truth?  Maybe not.

The Pope “said it” but got it wrong about the sun orbiting the earth.  Ask Galileo.  The church admitted it was wrong 359 years later.

The Bible “said it” but got it wrong about slavery.  

 “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling” (Ephesians 6:5).

 “Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them” (Titus 2:9).

“Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate,  but also to those who are harsh” (1 Peter 2:9). 

The Southern Baptist Convention, the denomination into which I was born, raised and educated, admitted in 1995 that it got it wrong, apologizing for its support for slavery and segregation.

The Bible did not “settle it” when it came to slavery.  In fact, what the Bible says about slavery is unsettling.  

Jesus did not operate on the basis of  the “God said it, that settles it…” position.

Do you remember all of those, “You’ve heard it said, but I say to you…” verses?
Compare and contrast the following:

Deuteronomy 6:13 and Matthew 5:33-37

Deuteronomy 19:21 and Matthew 5:38-39

Numbers 15:32-36 and John 5:8-10

If  it were “settled” why did Jesus challenge and change it?

The apostles didn’t stick “God said it, that settles it” on the rump of their horse or the bumper of their chariot.  Acts 15 tells us that the apostles debated how the Bible applied to their lives and situation.  When they set aside circumcision as a requirement for following Jesus they reinterpreted the Bible for their times, recognizing that some of what “God said” was not God’s will for all time, all places, all people.

Even those today who say the phrase, don’t practice the phrase.  How many of you give other church-goers a “holy kiss” each Sunday?   You don’t? Why not?  Paul commanded it 4 times in his letters.  Try it next Sunday and see how it goes. 
“God said it”  but with that command, and others, it’s not settled.  How many other things did “God say” aren’t settled?  “Welcome interpretation.  Come on in and let’s get to know each other better.”

This post is already too long, kind of like my teaching last Sunday – 35 minutes! So, I’ll cut to the chase ( a phrase used in the movie world by directors to get past the boring dialogue and to the excitement of a chase scene).

I don’t call the Bible the Word of God.  I call Jesus the Word of God.  So does John.  A “word” is an expression of an idea.  It is my understanding that Jesus is the “exact expression” of God. 

Not the Bible.  Check out Hebrews 1:1-3 and note the phrase “exact expression.”  Does that mean that the Bible (Hebrews 1:1) is inexact?

Maybe the problem is not the Bible.  Maybe the problem is how we use the Bible – what we expect out of the Bible.  Again, let’s take our cue from Jesus.  Seems to me like a good idea.

John 5:39. No one knew the Bible better than the Pharisees.  They knew it up and down, in and out, forward and backward.  Yet they missed God in the flesh who was standing right in front of them.  

Is it possible to be so busy following the Bible that we miss Jesus?  The Bible is a sign that points to Jesus – to his life, to his way, to his values.  

Why do we settle with the sign instead of going on to the destination?  

I’ve written too much.   If you’ve stayed with me, you’ve read too much.  Let’s both stop. 

Let’s spend some time looking at Jesus. Appreciating him. Following him and his way.  


1 thought on ““Shoot Christians Say, Part 2 -” “God Said It, I Believe It, That Settles It.”

  1. Ah, this is interesting! Love it. I appreciate stimulating dialogue.
    I agree with your view that we long for a firm foundation, and this has led to taking dogmatic stances on issues that are incorrect at times. Part of being alive, I think we all agree, is getting our cherished foundations ripped out from under us occasionally. One example: “If God is love and all powerful, why do bad things happen to ‘good’ people?” We all have asked that question or heard it asked, either out of personal frustration or as a fancy ideological exercise.
    The problem is in the question, not in God. We assume God is good (correct), that he is all powerful (correct), and that all people are good (incorrect); ergo, he shouldn’t let bad things happen to anyone. I find the times this question is asked, it’s usually we who are assuming we are ‘good’ people and are angry at God because something didn’t go our way.
    There’s a mathematical truth that one negative factor in a multiplication equation makes the answer to the whole equation negative. Doesn’t matter how many positives you have, one negative makes the whole thing negative. 2 * 10 * -5 * 6 * 3 = -1800. Same thing happens when we throw poor theology into the mix by assuming God is not fair because he let’s bad things happen to “good” people. Rather than simply admit the world is fallen and sinful, that we are fallen and sinful, we say God is not possible because he doesn’t act in accordance with our views. And our views are wrong on this….wrong, wrong, wrong.
    Where am I going? Ah yes….the Bible is the Word of God. I believe it is. Inspired. Inerrant. I also believe that Jesus is the Word made flesh. John 1 tells us so. Jesus didn’t change the Word of God. Rather, he corrects our view of the Word.
    So what about places where the Bible gets it “wrong”? Since you brought it up: let’s talk about slavery. What is Paul trying to teach? Read in very narrow, non-contextual approach, it appears he is advocating for slavery….but that ignores, “Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you–although if you can gain your freedom, do so.” 1 Corinthians 7:21. Paul’s point is that slavery or freedom in this world pale in comparison to our freedom in Christ. But he adds, if you can be free in this world, then go for it without any guilt. He says much the same to unequally yoked spouses (believer and non-believer)…the obedience and humility of the believer may win over the non-believer. So don’t get divorced just because you are in a mixed marriage where one is a believer and one is not. Just so with slaves. If by serving faithfully a slave can win his master over to the faith, isn’t saving someone’s immortal soul worth it? Would I give up my worldly freedom if that’s what it took to save a person from the eternal fires of Hell?
    This is a hard teaching, and one that should not be misused to justify slavery. Rather, it is a calling to perseverance.
    It is interesting to also note that Paul calls us all “slaves to righteousness.” Romans 6:18. If we are truly slaves to Christ’s righteousness, what would we not do to reach the next soul for Christ?

    The Bible does not justify worldly slavery: it never has and never will. There again we see man’s imperfect and rather selfish interpretation being used to pad his pocket book and using Scripture to attempt to justify it. Rather, the Bible encourages us wherever we are in life: slave, free, divorced, married, child, adult, etc. to be faithful unto Christ first and foremost, and he will bless that faithfulness.
    Like you, I have said too much. Next week, we can debate the holy kiss and women covering their heads. 😉 Thanks for what you do, and I wish you all the best! Hope to see you again soon.

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